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Scifi and Fantasy Forum: Television: Star Trek (all series):
Best series?
Best series?
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Which ST series is the best? Which is your favorite? Do they have to be the same?
If TNG was still on, I would probably still love it (although its hard to say...some seasons were better than others!). If ST just kept cloning TNG, however, it would be repetative by definition. That's boring. Remember when all the networks decided they had to have a show just like Friends (or pick just about any other highly popular series--Hollywood types have so little imagination these days)? All of them sucked. Why? They were the same thing, just with different casts. BORING!!!
DS9 changed the premise to a space station, instead of a starship to create a new dynamic. Voyager puts us back on a starship, but the crew is in a totally new sector of space (one brief encounter with the Borg doesn't mean it was explored BTW) where they have to rely on themselves. Both give us a fresh perspective on the Trek universe and the varied people that inhabit it. That's variety...variety is good!
Oh...Voyager is an entirely different class of starship from the Enterprise (and much much smaller). Even if the "E" was out of commision, you would designate a new command vessel (which Voyager isn't) as "F".
Posted By:  Luna Mar 10, 2000 - 05:40 pm |       | Repetative by definition...I can agree with that but many Star Trek fans want only the Enterprise (new crew,old crew,it doesn't matter).Yes,DS9 changed the premise to a space station but it's definitely not dynamic.It doesn't go anywhere because of that fact,they should be out there exploring.After all,Star Trek is about "seeking out new life and new civilizations".
Also,I never said that the Enterprise explored the Delta quadrant.I was merely stating a petty fact to Doris that they were there.
Yes,variety is good.Maybe,if they combined the elements of both DS9 and Voyager it would be interesting.
Oh,and good point about Voyager being a different class of starship (I failed to mention that).
| Posted By: Toranaga Mar 13, 2000 - 03:15 am | | Alpha, beta, delta, gamma...damn those quadrants!
Even they are very little compared to the vastness of the universe. The story of voyager is that of a drop of water in the great Atlantic Ocean. The adventures of Enterprise are but dust is the desert. deep space nine is no more than a leaf of a tree amongst trees.
They are all irrelevant, they are all virtually unexisting.
But it is their very irrelevance that makes them unique. they all oppose to their smallness by doing great things.
And it does not matter where they are, and where things happen, what class of spaceship is involved, or how it is named, and why.
No. Startrek is about being important even if you dont seem to be. Startrek is about "puny" humans doing their part, even if it makes no difference at all.
Startrek is about explorers and inventors, the kind of men and women that have build society since it was born.
ah, and i also wanted to mention that accidents are often the foundations of great discoveries.
and discoveries are what matters.
| Posted By: Doris Mar 13, 2000 - 07:01 am | | You didn't have to take my statement on 'enterprise F' literary, what i meant was that Voyager is in a way like the Enterprise, no matter what class that ship is from,like Toranaga said.
There is one difference between the original series, and the other three series: The Original series was set in the 23th century, the three others all in the 24th century. So in a way these three series are one history, for example, the war with the cardassians was used in both The Next Generation and DS9. They are set on the same background, the same time. If the makers want to create a fifth series, they should better set that series in a new time, a new world, for example the 25 th century, to create new possibilities.
| Posted By: DblUgly Jun 02, 2002 - 05:53 pm | | Just give me a klingon series. Straight up no mucking about except possibaly a single exchange officer from the federation to add the fish out of water aspect.(Spock,Data etc...)
To this day I like the origional series the best. The SFX stank, but not for the day, the acting was entertaining, a lot of times comicaly entertaining, the sence of wonder total. The idea that man would remain man inspite of technology perfect. The idea that man would over come his nature and finaly pull togather with out loseing the ability to mix it up in some bar, priceless. The fact that a genreation of us were introduced to a myth that promoted some quite good ideals for us to follow at a time that our other myths were being shattered by science or disreguared for other reasons, was and remains magic.
TNG Started flat and remained a bit to aniseptic for me. Had some wonderfull moments but did not surpass the attachment I feel for the origional.but was criticaly the beter show.
DSN Good but never felt like an organic whole. Better characters and there developemant. and a welth of plot hooks to work with but it never clicked for me, dont know why.
Voyager, Homer did it beter. I bet Homer Simpson could do beter than this.
And we dont get UPN so I have no opinion ( a rare occurance) on the new show.
| Posted By: Bmat Jun 03, 2002 - 06:54 am | | This is a hard one. TOS has that nostalgic value. The interactions between the characters were entertaining. Spock, Scotty, Bones...all fun characters. The concept and the stories were interesting. Besides that the series initiated the ST universe.
However I enjoyed TNG more. The effects and the visuals were better. Patrick Stewart *rowwrrrrllll*. The stories were interesting also. I didn't think that the characters interacted as well. Frakes was a bit wooden. Deanna Troi was forgettable. After Picard my favorite character was Lwaxana Troi. In general I don't like series or movies that rely on a superhuman character (in this case Data) to save the day.
TNG is the best all the way.
A robot or android with superior strength like a mechanical industrial machine, I believe, is an important ingredient in The Next Generation crew of aliens and humans working together. Should disaster happens, this 'superman' is the best hope for saving lives. Something that's missing in Voyager.
| Posted By: Nomad Jan 08, 2005 - 04:57 pm | | Hmmmm...Picturing the movie "Mission to Mars" with the psycho robot. (Or was it Red planet"?
Which is better? Oh man, that old geek debate. Ha! I won't get involved. Nope. I won't. I won't do it.
aaaaaahhrr ... Next Generation RULLLLLLESSS!!!! Picard kicks butt! Long live Data! God bless Troy! Worf rules! The E-D makes Kirk's ship look like a freakin' can with some paper towel rolls with a styrophone dish glued on it! And no TNG's on DVD!!! Click onto Amazon and "Make it so!"
[Barries my head in my hands. I am not a geek. I AM NOT A GEEK!!]
(Excuse my spelling.)
| Posted By: Nomad Jan 10, 2005 - 01:10 pm | | LoL.. Ill go with TNG.
| Posted By: Aldan Jan 10, 2005 - 05:29 pm | | Actually, Neuro, you only misspelled one word: Buries.
| Posted By: ZimNova Jan 10, 2005 - 05:46 pm | | ST-NG for me.
First off it was first "spin-off" series based on TOS.
I really liked the cast (Picard, Rikker, Troi, Data, Worf, Jordy, Crusher) whom played the same roles (Captain, Second, Engineer, Doctor) plus Droid, Klingon and Batazoid) that fit perfectly into the Trek genre in the '80's.
As a "original" fan of the franchise I was impressed by the, for the time, state of the art EFX and the stories were also first rate.
After 8 years I also welcomed these actors into my household as family each week because they were so familiar.
ST-DS9 was a bit different.
Up against Babylon it was no competition for my viewing time but that said, because of the "ratings race", in those days, I was a 'B-5' viewer.
I have formed a better respect for the series based on the story telling and the cast, (Terry Farrell as Dax, MEOW!), after watching more of the series during re-runs on Spike-TV.
I tried ST-V'Ger but was bored to tears after the second season (personal opinion of course) and never followed the next 5 or so seasons.
To this day I have little interest in the show and it is interesting to note that all the other Trek franchise shows run on a regular basis in syndication all over cable channels but ST-V'Ger has gone missing?
Fate, or Viewer choice?
Now then. Star Trek-Enterprise.
A great idea that failed at first.
Fade back to the past, canon wise, (at great risk with "Trekkies" whom live and breathe this franchise).
First problem. Throw out canon.
OK, the series of late has made up for the former (S-1/S-3) lack of continuity but it is still playing catch-up to the franchise's former glory in term's of Trek story-arc storytelling.
Both the S-3 "Xindi" story arc and S-4 "mini" (3 parters), "Augument" & "Vulcan" arcs seem to have restored the franchise back on track so only time, and episodes, will show if Trek has returned to it's former glory.
ZimNova
I agree with you almost entirely, ZimNova! I hated that whole "Xindi" season though! To me it was a spineless attempt to draw in viewers. Dark Sci-Fi is not Trek! Bring back the sense of fun, comfort, and innovation which made the first two so enjoyable, I say.
| Posted By: Sindatur Jan 11, 2005 - 06:23 am | | Hmm, I liked TNG alot when it was on, but DS9 was my favorite of the spin offs. Funny hearing about a ratings war with DS9 and B5? On my UPN station they played back to back, so there was no competition at all for viewing. Matter of fact it was a 2 hour block of great scifi viewing.
Voyager didn't do much for me. I liked the Species 8742 episodes, and I liked some of 7 of 9's story arc, but, that was about it. Enterprise, I felt season 1 and 2 were pretty bad, and season 3 was a nice change at first, b ut it eventually lost my interest. Season 4, I agree has been pretty darned good, and I'm hoping it continues to be of at least the same quality.
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