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Posted By: Iznardi Jul 14, 2001 - 06:14 am

Forgot the name of the episode. But anyway, here's the discussion topic (useful for future Scorpius discussion, too).

Posted By: Crowe Jul 14, 2001 - 06:23 am

Incubator was the name.

Really good EP too. It was nice to see Scorpy's motivation. Now we know why the Scarans hate him so much, and why he hates them so much.

One thing I've notice is Scorpy's doctors have the coolest hair and eyes

Also Braka is turning out to be a pretty cool character. One of the few PK's that really seems to understand Skorpy. I think Skorpy might even *like* him. I mean, Skorpy has this Vader like quality - Promoting people through the death of their superiors.. but Braka has managed to remain Skorpy's loyal servant through it all. Not an easy task when you consider the body count.

I think it must be a PK trend... I remember Crais killing the Lt. that recieved the message for him to return to PK command in the first or second EP.

Good episode though. Really drummed up some sympathy for Skorpius and now even I have a loathing for the Scarans. Though I think they are a great villian race.

--Crowe

Posted By: Iznardi Jul 14, 2001 - 06:30 am

Hmmmmm. So I get to go first, eh?

Well, gee, I'm almost becoming a Scorpius fan, here. I guess he might still have a hidden agenda, but I have to admit, I believed him when he said, "I don't want power, John, I want revenge." So far, the series has consistently portrayed Scorpius as the deadly enemy of the Scarrans (Look at the Princess, the shows about retrieving the chip, and this one). Likewise, we have never seen him betray the Peacekeepers, although he has stabbed individual P.K.s in the back. So I'm guessing revenge is his true motivation.

Now, as to the wormhole research--
Apparently, Scorpius did retreive ALL of the knowledge the Ancients gave to Crichton, but an essential part was encrypted. Scorpius has now managed to decrypt a portion of that section, but destroyed the chip in the process, so like "neural clone" Crichton said, he has to be smart enough to figure the rest out on his own.

This opens a whole bunch of questions. Does Crichton still have this knowledge--or did it all get sucked away onto the chip? If so, then we have to assume that Scorpius will eventually master control of wormholes and Crichton will have to use Scorpius' research to further his own.

Also, I still don't get this whole business of testing prowlers in natural wormholes. As far as we know, Crichton managed to create a wormhole with the Farscape in the first episode. He did it by accident and got thrown into the Uncharted Territories. Since then, he has managed to either create or open a wormhole one more time (with Aeryn) by recreating his original Farscape experiment on a planet experiencing solar flares (that was the episode where they crash and have to negotiate for the repair of the ship, and then have to deal with bounty hunters).

Scorpius' research, on the other hand, is using naturally occurring wormholes. So either the chip doesn't contain information on how to create them, or else the secret to creating them lies in the Farscape (still aboard Moya).

This could mean that Scorpius and Crichton hold two halves of the puzzle between them. Scorpius will be able to control wormholes but not create them. Crichton will have some clues about how to create them, but won't be able to control them.

As for Scorpius' belief that the ends justify the means--well, he may be right. No red-blooded citizen of Urp could stand by while Scarrans come for our women!

I was a little disappointed that we didn't learn why Scorpius is all wrapped up in the couch leather and also how he managed to gain super-human strength when he was originally so deformed he couldn't stand up. Presumably he is part bionic--for a while there he was wearing some sort of live support on his back.

And finally, a minor hooray for Jool. "The truth is never crap, Crichton." I think she can now officially be counted as a part of the crew.

Posted By: Bmat Jul 14, 2001 - 06:39 am

Yes- the Scarrans- definitely loathable!

During the incident toward the end when Scorpy called Braka over- one can't help but remember that episode with Crais and the Lt, and also the similar episode in Star Wars with Darth- I'm sure that was intended. The fact that it turned out differently was actually an effective change.

The episode was really dark! Lots of suffering, fear, pain, disappointment, disgusting visuals.

Is there any significance to the plant- other than a memory for Scorpius of his parents? I was thinking maybe something beautiful arising from something ugly...perhaps symbolic of the small glimmer of care for his mother arising from the Scorpius who is evil and who kills without compunction. Yet, now we have to see Scorpy in a more favorable light, as a crusader for the "decent" Sebaceans against the nasty Scarrans.

I still think that Jool and Chi are too much alike. They are almost interchangable. Yeah I know- I want Zhaan back. I think they have dimmed down, or washed out, Jool's character. She's gone quickly from the whiney brat to an intelligent fighter. An occasional scream from her, cut off quickly by one of the other characters snapping out "shut up" might be fun.

Moya John- no sign of disintegration this time. So does that mean that the conjectures that he was on his way out are wrong?

Posted By: The Master Jul 14, 2001 - 07:00 am

I also liked her when she said they were fighting and "that's all were good at on this ship". Does seem like that, huh? Truthfully, the Moya part of the ep was fairly throwaway except for Jool's comments. And yes, I noticed how different Jool's character is already too. She's not like Chiana, but she's not cringing, whining and screeching all the time either. Not that that's a bad thing...just kinda sudden.

I think the outfit is something he did to cover his deformity, and it looks so cool! I took his weakness as a kid to be because of torture and heat the Scarran chick was piling on him. Remember, Scorpy's part PK and can't take the heat. I think that backpack thing was his first cooling unit...before the head driller job. And hey, the goo dripping out of his head while Durka pulled the flaming rod out was a truly nasty touch--bravo!

I stil don't trust him. While the desire to exact revenge (assuming what he showed John was the entire truth) may be real, once he's wiped out the Scarrans, he'll move on to conquering the rest of the galaxy just like he said the Scarrans would. That's where the "you have to be smart enough to figure it out to be smart enough to use it" part comes in.

So now we have real John, clone John, and cyber-clone John, plus real Scorpy and Harvey Scorpy. By next season, they should have built up enough doubles to have a second series!

Posted By: ZimNova Jul 15, 2001 - 05:24 pm

Incubator was a pretty cool ep. imho.
The Scarran's are without doubt the real "bad" guys after the PK's and after what Scorpius went through as a lad it is easier to understand both his toughness and why he has little patience for failure.
I agree that his weakness at first was the result of the Scarran heat and that the backpack was an early version of his cooling system. His cool & stylish leather outfit may contain some form of exo-skeleton to aid him now as well as give him superior strength?
Anyone got a *Scorpy Babe* site up?
First he had Niem, then the second PK nurse (can't recall her name) and now nurse Froy! Not to mention hangin' with the foxy Natira at the depository.

The whole question of wormhole tech. is still up in the air as I see it.
I summed up what we know about wormholes in the *LT* topic but really saw nothing new in this ep.
Sebaceans and now Relgarians are unable to survive transit through a wormhole and as Linfer suggested John may have been rather lucky to have made it as well.
Unless:
A)The Farscape 1 actually DID create a stable wormhole somehow or,
2)The encoded information in the chip holds the answer if Scorpy can figure it out.
Iz, you may be correct that Scorpy & John (one of the real one's) will have to join forces to make the wormhole tech. a usefull weapon against the Scarran's.

Bmat, I believe that the plant is a memorial to his dead Sebacean mother but also a reminder of why he want's to get revenge for how the Scarran's raped her and caused her death.

Did anyone else think that Jool looked more well kept? Her hair seemed less wild like it was combed back or some such.
She has also learned to handle a pluse rifle like she knows how to use it as seen when she's part of the team that greets Linfer's prowler when it docks aboard Moya.
Must have had some training from D'argo or Chiana.
My take on her sudden maturity is that when she first came out of the cyro-chamber everything was like a nightmare compaired to her former life and things only got worse like during *Eat Me*.
As time has passed she has found her footing among Moya's crew and being given more responsibilities such as acting ships doctor, she is the Jool we would have known had we first met her on her home world.

Small continuity point.
The *translator microbes* can not translate Pilot when he speaks in his native tongue only because of the amount of information being sent out.
Yet when Linfer first approachs Moya, she and Pilot start off the conversation in Relgerian?
Then the crew (and us) hear the rest of the exchange in our native languages. What's up with that?
After Crichton got his *TM* injection he was able to understand D'argo & Zhann right away even though neither of them could have had the chance to have met as that was a *first contact* situation.

BIG RANT......I missed *Meltdown*.
Even after posting the start time at 3 different sites I still set the VCR for 21:00 MDT while the show started at 20:00! Do'ah.

Posted By: Crowe Jul 15, 2001 - 06:48 pm

Wormholes:

I don't think John Create a wormhole, I think he hit one. Remember john is trying to find wormholes suggesting they exist naturally. These being stable wormhole's. Created wormholes by nature would be unstable - hence temporary. Because of their unstable nature there is the side effect of the radiation. I don't think it's species specific, I think it simply effects living matter.

I think scorpy has found one, an unstable one, and is testing on it.

It's one thing to learn to navigate naturally ocurring wormholes. This would be like charting hyper space "space lanes" or routes. You still have to get to one to take advantage of it. On the other hand there is ones you can create at point and and point b. This gives you the real advantage.

Posted By: Iznardi Jul 16, 2001 - 07:17 am

More on wormholes:

Well, like I said, I'm not sure if Crichton "creates" or merely "opens" wormholes with the Farscape, but he's done it twice--once during the original experiment on earth, and the second time on the planet with the space mechanic. You remember, he was specifically looking for a planet experiencing solar flares--similar to the one he originally hit on earth--so that he could duplicate his experiment and find out if it would result in a wormhole. It did, although for only a few seconds. So unless the writers have decided to go in a different direction, and are just going to forget about these early episodes, the Farscape does have the capacity, under the right circumstances, to either create or open a wormhole in a specific area.

Since then, both Crichton and Scorpius have been looking for areas of space with naturally occuring wormholes so they can study them.