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Posted By: Aslan Aug 05, 2001 - 06:27 am

I'm just discovering Farscape, and with this last 2pt eps, I'm hooked.

A couple of questions:
If the interface linked Talyn to the Scarran, which seems to be logical, then why wasn't Talyn damaged by the Scarran's death?

Now that I'm hooked, I'm also ignorant. Could somebody please explain how there are two Johns? It makes me feel better to know there's another one after that last episode. It was kind of a shocker to see the main character gone!

Please email answers or references, so as not to fill this lovely site with answers to simple questions. krbaseh@hotmail.com

Thanks!

Posted By: Crowe Aug 05, 2001 - 07:35 am

Zim,

IMHO, Jack and Ayren could NOT see John as Scorpy. It was a visual for our benefit only. They saw his mannerisms change and new it was Scorpy. I doubt anyone sees him like that eccept John's own minds eye.

Remember when the Scorpy clone was trying to get the Chip back to Scorpy and he tricked Zahn when he did the unity thing with her. She could not see him as that. Chianna, same deal. I'm pretty sure it's a visual just for us. (A pretty scary visual at that.)

Posted By: Iznardi Aug 06, 2001 - 09:30 am

Well, suck-sucker or not, I still like Furlough. And I giver her credit for the best one-liner:

"Always walk away while the hero dies, that's my motto."

The most stressful thing about this episode is all the emotion wrenching to get back to the same spot.

Jack's gone, no more outside help from the Ancients of unlocking wormhole formulas--so Moya John is back a square one.

Got rid of Scorpy clone, but now the only surviving Crichton still has the clone, again back at square one.

Aeryn and John form a solid relationship, but now Aeryn has to start all over again with Moya John, back at square one.

And Moya John still has the wormhole formulas, and thus the key to going home, but he won't be able to use them. Which means he will have to track down either Scorpius or Furlough to gain knowledge.

And Furlough walks off, still the only person who really understands how to create a stabilizer for a wormhole.

Other intersting side effect--there will now be two Farscapes, John's and Furlough's. Also, it's possible that Talyn Crichton might have recorded some data into Farscape II--hell, he knew he was dying by the time he opened the wormhole.

A few pet peeves: yeah, I didn't like John appearing as Scorpy John--we're seeing things through Aeryn's eyes, not John's, at that point, so, didn't work. Also, it seems strange to me that No One--not even Talyn John--seemed to remember that there was still another Crichton alive. I mean, maybe everyone forgot in the shock of the moment, but you would have though Talyn John would have at least tried to comfort Aeryn by saying, "Hey, maybe I'm not really gone. Maybe the other Crichton was me all along."

Or something like that.

But I give the 10 for 10 in throwing a bunch of curves. It never occurred to me that the Scorpy clone was trying to trick Aeryn into killing Crichton. That was a good twist, and simple.

Posted By: Bmat Aug 06, 2001 - 10:17 am

I missed why Scorpy clone was trying to trick Aeryn into killing John. Would someone please explain?

Something in the back of my mind about Farscape is that I don't remember anything like it to the same extent. I know STTNG had two Rikers, and there were parallel universes on STTOS and Red Dwarf. But I don't remember ever having a copy of the main character in such a developed story.

Posted By: The Master Aug 06, 2001 - 03:10 pm

Aslan, FS is a great show to discover no matter when it happens! This two parter probably was a little rough for a newbie...it required more backstory knowledge than most eps. Stick with it, and watch for any marathon showings of past eps. SFC does them periodically, and its a great way to get caught up with the story.

John got "cloned" in the "Eat Me" episode. Our discussion of that ep would be a good place to start. As fate would have it, shortly afterward I posted a synopsis for someone else who missed it. Those comments should help fill you in.

Posted By: Azziz Aug 06, 2001 - 05:03 pm

Well, as I have posted before, I think the John/Aeryn relationship isn't back to square one, I think it is back to square -1 and more.

For someone whose entire life has been built around control, to risk love and be hurt that bad is going to make her harder than ever when it comes to John. Maybe with everyone else as well. And the only person who could have softened her back up and made her see things would have been Zhann. She won't let Stark fill that void.

Regarding Scorpy trying to get Aeryn to kill John. Scorpy is pure villian and if he can't have the body, he doesn't want Aeryn too. Definately a piece of work.

As for the seeing Scorpy, since the clothing changed as well, I have to go for the visual effect. They did this in the airchase Crichton had with Aeryn at the end of last season too. John/Scorpy changed clothes when Scorpy personality was dominant and the powers that be, didn't want ANYONE to miss it. When they wanted us to be surprise/fooled they don't changed the clothes. Hence normal John look when he woke up even tho Scorpy was dominant, same when Scorpy was fooling Zhaan. Browder doing the Scorpy voice is enough to creep me out tho.

Posted By: Azziz Aug 06, 2001 - 05:13 pm

Can we edit messages here? I don't remember, but I wanted to add something.

Regarding noone saying and/or remembering There's another John. When Talyn and Moya split up, it was with the expectation that they would never meet up again. Now we are a fairly bright audience and know they will, but it is fair to say the characters don't.

And it would be sort of like a twin saying, "Hey, I have a twin brother, we are just alike. You'll be ok." It just doesn't work. The John's are separate now with separate experiences shaping them. But John's feelings for Aeryn will still be the same. It is just hers that have changed.

Posted By: The Master Aug 06, 2001 - 05:48 pm

Yes you can...unfortunately its a little cumbersome.

Use the "edit profile" link on the right side menu. When you log in to your profile, the first thing shown is a list of posts you've made during the last 7 days. You can edit any of those posts by clicking the edit button next to it. Posts older than 7 days cannot be edited. If there is something you desperately need changed (or deleted) in an older post, contact either Bmat or myself and we'll take care of it for you. Lets just keep it reasonable so we aren't running around and editing half the board OK?

And it's perfectly OK to just post a second time if you want to add something and don't feel like going through the profile to edit.

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Back to FS: I don't think its the same as a twin brother. Normal twins entire lives are shaped by being separate individuals, John was twinned as an adult...a perfect duplicate with all experiences intact. They haven't been separate for long enough to make the fundementally different people, and John and Aeryn already had a flirting relationship going on that was on the verge of intimate. It was always Aeryn who controlled the level of intimacy (John wanted more long before he was twinned), so I think he will try to make it happen when they regroup and he learns what happened. But will Aeryn go for it? Ahhh...now that's the question!

The Scorpy look on John didn't phase me. As in the past eps, I think it was solely for our visual benefit and not intended to imply that Aeryn and the others actually saw him that way.

Posted By: Crowe Aug 07, 2001 - 05:43 am

The real question here, like everyone has been suggesting, is how this will affect Ayren and M-John. It's got to be an interesting way to bring things back to a point of conflict between the characters.

As much as I liked them together, over time it would have become a gimmick and even boring. Consider that every major show (with few exceptions) that had a love interest at it's core didn't survive once the characters become lovers. As long as it was breif, then spoiled again it worked. It's the tension that the viewers really love. The thrill of the chase- as it is in real life

Still, Farscape has a great many things going for it, and I think if they do this right and Ayren and John get back together (down the road) that FS can pull it off. It has the gravity to do it.

--Crowe

Posted By: Nomad Aug 07, 2001 - 12:45 pm

Let us not forget that Aeryn and T-John had shared few extra feelings while on Talyn. When she go's back to M-John, it will definitely be weird for her. She knows what they shared but M-John doesn't. I can hear M-John now,...." So..how di you and John get along....etc....." We all know what he will really be asking. LOL...we'll see.