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How do you make a good villian? Please help!
How do you make a good villian? Please help!
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Posted By:  Nohg Mar 21, 2004 - 03:21 pm |       | Meaning two twins as the twins are individuals. so two individuals makes one pair  A good badguy.....well as said before, Try and let him abuse the phrase "the ends justify the means"
| Posted By: Eleika Mar 21, 2004 - 07:19 pm | | About whether one is evil from birth ... I don't believe so, either.
In my Political Geography textbook, there's a picture of a sweet baby, and a question below: Would you kill this child?
The baby is Hitler.
I have a set of twins in my story, and when writing about twins there are some interesting aspects you MUST keep in mind. This is a proven fact based stuff by the way.
As children, twins generally perform twin-speak with one another. It's their own personal language that only they can understand. However, most twins grow out of it and forget it by age 3 and up.
Twins are mirror reflections of each other. Often times a twin who uses his/her right hand will have the other twin using their left hand. Generally this applies to birth traits. In the case of my story, their eyes are different colors so you have this mirror image effect when looking upon them.
Twins can often times feel, or think, what the other is feeling or thinking. This tends to crop up when one is in danger, or if they are so connected they might finish the other's sentence.
| Posted By: Eleika Mar 22, 2004 - 10:15 pm | | I dunno if they always grow out of the twin-speak. Even at age sixteen, twins will finish one another's sentences.  My younger sisters (twins) are so twinny it's scary.
Cute
At some point I'm gonna have to find me some twins (other than the ones I've dated) and do some major studying. Sometimes doing research and observation can be so much fun.
is that bond shared between a boy and girl twins or with triplets? quadruplets and ect.
Doesn't matter, though I wager the bond is stronger with same sex twins. Generally though twins talk to each other as infants but are able to form a language that only they can understand. The bond itself, the pyscho portion, should really matter on the sex. As long as the two twins are close in growing up they'll hold a bond.
Though there are tales of how twins were seperated at birth and still show signs of copying the other... such as getting jobs in exactly the same profession but without ever being in contact with each other. Some kind of subconscious telepathy.
| Posted By: RongFo Mar 23, 2004 - 11:50 pm | | I agree with Neuro's comments. And to expand on them, I'd like to add that the best villains are virtually always sympathetic characters who don't believe they're doing anything wrong. In the bad guy's point of view, THEY are the hero of the story.
As Nohg says above, "The ends justify the means," is an attitude shared by many of the coolest villains. The bad guy in my current novel was a relatively decent fellow, until he received a vision showing him a future in which he could ascend to godhood--and thereby enforce peace and stability on the world. But, however pure his motives, his "destiny" becomes such an obsession for him that he will sacrifice anything to attain it--soldiers, innocents, nobles, even entire cities.
To cut to the point, villains are not only more interesting, but more believable and dangerous as well when they believe themselves to be the "good guy."
| Posted By: Magus Mar 24, 2004 - 04:00 am | | You may also want to look at some of the greatest villains in history. Madame Dufarge in A Tale of Two Cities is one of the greatest vilains in literary history, read the book to find out why, I don;t want to give the ending away. Look at Sauron in LOTR. Look at Leland Gaunt in The Last Castle Rock Story: Needful Things. Look at Napoleon in Animal Farm.
Here's an idea. I collect quotes, it's a passion of mine. One of the ones I have is "Every betrayal begins with trust." Betrayal makes a good, ironic choice of words on this subject lol, villain. If your main charactor begins as a really good chum of your protagonist, and then betrays him after showing how close they were, then he seems all the more evil for his betrayal coupled with his motivation and his methods.
Another idea. Do you want to creat a "dark Lord"? I have a book that gives the recipe. I gotta go to school now, but I'll post it later tonight.
| Posted By: Aldan Mar 24, 2004 - 01:55 pm | | As for twins, my younger sisters are fraternal twins (rather than identical) and, while they definitely have made some very different choices from each other, they both do have some ironic similarities - both have been pregnant at the same time as each other, even when they lived on opposite ends of the U.S., they both have the same number of children, and both have the same number of boys and the same number of girls as each other, and, obviously, each has the same total number of children as the other.
One of them is blonde, the other brunette, the blonde is thin, the brunette thicker, the blonde is more lazeis faire , the brunette is in-your-face.
| Posted By: Magus Mar 24, 2004 - 03:12 pm | | Here are the qualities of a dark lord according to this book I got several years ago for xmas.
1) defeated but not destroyed before
2) aspires to be the prince/king/princess/queen of the world
3) an abstract force, less flesh and blood than supernatural energy
4) represents thinning, the idea that before the written story started there was a diminishment, such as the chaos and death of the war of the ring
5) symbol of debasement, a moral collaPSE, often the result of a questionable bargain, such as the one with the nne kings of men turning them into nazgul
6) inflicts damage out of envy or lust
| Posted By: Eleika Mar 24, 2004 - 08:41 pm | | Spiderkeg ... anything you need to know? (About twins.)
interesting stuff on Dark Lords.
do you have anything else on them?
| Posted By: Magus Mar 25, 2004 - 07:04 am | | Not really. Not for dark lords anyway. I may have something on other charactor types if you want. It would really only be romantic and tragic heroes though.
| Posted By: Aldan Mar 25, 2004 - 08:05 am | | Well, romantic heroes are pretty easy. They are all these muscular men who have perfect teeth and are strong enough to sweep the heroine off of her feet. Oh, and we mustn't forget virile. VERY virile...
*Aldan gags, then sighs*
Poor Aldan, I hear a longing in your text...
| Posted By: Aldan Mar 25, 2004 - 08:59 am | | NO. It was NOT THAT kind of sigh!
*Aldan glares a slap in Peter Parker's general direction*
Yeah Aldan, beat him up... yeah yeah!
Now it's time for me to make my moves on Mary Jane.
I've always thought gwen was the better of the two
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