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	Archive through Jan 25, 2005 Last Post: Jan 26, 2005, 12:34 pm		20

Posted By: gnollslayer Jan 25, 2005 - 02:26 pm

I really like my villain, too. He's not evil, which is what makes him an enjoyable character. The reason he's the villain is because his culture had a legend about one who would wear a White Crescent on their brow and would bring destruction to the human race to atone for past wrongs. In his own eyes, he is a hero for killing the humans he encounters, but as with any intelligent being, his mind is susceptible to change, and by the end of the trilogy he learns that his actions may not be the most just. No more spoilers than that, though.

Posted By: Magus Jan 25, 2005 - 02:46 pm

I like my villains. One is an Orc war chieften who is the step-brother of my MC. And, I know this may sound a little cheesy, he eventually joins with my MC. But it's not as much as you'd think. He only seems villainous because he accidentally killed the MC's wife and only wanted to join and fight side by side with his brother from the start. His brother hunts him down and the brother kind of duelly stalks the MC, trying to convert him to his side when he can.

He was a villain for the first three books... two and a half, actually, because he joins near the end of the third book.

There are more, and equally cool ones, but he was always my favorite.

Posted By: Queen Ehlana Jan 25, 2005 - 03:30 pm

"I love Romeo and Juliet, its a great play, but the ending for me is flawed - I can't believe anyone would kill themselves because they can't be with someone else even if they are their true love."

Well, you'd better start believing. I read an article the other day about a Romeo and Juliet story that was in the news. A man in Italy gassed himself because he had no hope of his wife ever coming out of the coma she'd been in for four months. She woke up 12 hours later and asked for her husband. And it's not just the mentality of teenagers like Romeo and Juliet... You really have to believe anything when it comes to the human mind. Well, maybe not certain combinations, but the simple cases are obviously more than possible. There are plenty of ways to look at suicide... If you've ever seriously considered suicide, you should understand.

Posted By: Seeriax Jan 26, 2005 - 02:25 am

What about the main char that doesn't die but changes so drastically (usually in a physical as well as mental capcity) that the reader might consider the change equiv to death? Like with Powder in the movie Powder.

Or more death focused, look at Travolta's character (forget the name of the movie, he's gained some psychic super brain abilities of some sort) where we know he is dying and he eventually does die.

They were not "saving the world" types, so would that bring more attachment to the MC do you think? They went through a lot of pain and we shared it. I really enjoyed those endings. With Powder I see what he gained--the unknown and relief from a cruel, cold, separated world. With Travolta, he lost a new love, a new life, and gained relief from physical pain.

Good endings but not enough to make me mark them as "the best of the best of hero deaths" type deals.

I personally like to see great sacrifices on part of the hero. Even the villian. Let them die. Or change so completely they might as well be dead. I guess it is a sadistic part of me? lol A hero that loses nothing doesn't gain my sympathy. A hero that dies for others will gain my sympathy three-fold, granting it wasn't a pointless death. Does that make sense, 'cause I haven't had my coffee this mornin' so it might be just babble. lol

Posted By: Magus Jan 26, 2005 - 12:34 pm

Phenomenon the one you're thinking of. It was well made I believe. Wasn't his best, but a good movie that was worth watching.

And, yes, you're making sense to me Seeriax.

Posted By: Don Jan 26, 2005 - 11:33 pm

Im sorry, I haven't read everything everyone wrote in this topic, But the title drew me in to give my two cents.
I write a little when I get a few minutes, mostly on mob related topics (sopranos, great [Edit. Magus] show) and gang/cop dramas (the wire, equally great) now maybe I'm just a little too violent, but when I write.
I tend to kill every character that is not absolutely needed.
It spreads like fire, revenge, no witnesses, said the wrong thing, stole something, disrespected, now everyones killing everone.
Its a great thing, kill all them unneeded characters.
-out,aka annonymousanubis

Posted By: Magus Jan 27, 2005 - 01:33 pm

Wouldn't killing off any non-central characters be a little excessive?

Posted By: BenJaru Jan 27, 2005 - 05:00 pm

Lol, Thou art bloodthirsty Don!

BenJaru *Takes a bow*
Yay, I made a thread with an eye catching title!

Fairion