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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby Tales » Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:54 am

The problem with bat wings is that most of the creatures are small so what works for bats at that size wouldn't work for a bigger animal.

And also I do not want to copy the design of the pterosaurs as I think it's prehistoric.

But maybe something an improvement of the pterosaur design but also unique to the species.... would be good.

Any artists here?
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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby Tales » Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:24 am

New developments.

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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby Tales » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:29 am

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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby The Master » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:41 pm

Bats can be quite large actually. Appropriate scale of wing to body/weight is what's important to gain flight.

In any event, I'm not sure I was clear about my observation. If you look at all of the wings basically it is an arm where the fingers have evolved to become long, thin, and light to support the membrane. It seemed to me that you had your rodent walking on the tip of its finger but its clear from the illustrations that your inspiration uses the "palm" of the hand as a walking support when necessary.

So if you want your rodents to be able to run on all fours quickly like rats do but still be able to fly I think the issue is making the limbs from hip to foot proportioned well so they can stay nimble. If you look at your pterosaur picture you can see how there is one primary wing digit but the others are still small. This seems like a good way to give your rodents a foot that isn't too far removed from what they have now by making only one very long toe support the wing. That toe can fold up tight against the foreleg when they are not in flight. This would also give your rodents 4 full digits to use for clawing, digging, etc.

Hope that's helpful!
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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby Tales » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:10 am

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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby Tales » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:13 am

Here's config G

It appears its in the realm of possibility

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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby The Master » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:22 am

Pics didn't work. :(
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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby Tales » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:30 am

Okay here they are

Config G has the thumb, second and third finger on the tip so it can grip branches and even walk on tip toe
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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby The Master » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:20 pm

To me G looks more realistic.

Are you going to illustrate your stories?
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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby Tales » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:11 pm

Probably.....

Ok now to the story discussion.

I am now rather vexed over this issue that is a growing driving force in the story. If you are an environmentalist, would you want to conserve this unique island habitat or destroy it in order to protect the wildlife of other countries from the island's inhabitants.
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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby The Master » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:42 pm

If it is natural evolution then I think you would try to preserve it, but you may favor possibly extreme steps to prevent them from spreading if they show a significant threat to other habitats.
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Re: Rodent Evolution

Postby Tales » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:56 pm

Hmm well in my planning, the environmentalists starting squabbling among themselves over this issue.

and also my friend is it possible that becos of ecoterrorists, environmentalists are misunderstood as "extremists" the same way as the muslim extremists give other people a bad impression of islam... for example?
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