The end of war

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The end of war

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The atomic bomb effectively put war (as in a world war when you kill 40m people at a time) out of action. Since 1945 we've had a few skirmishes in Vienam and Iraq etc, but all-out war looks as though it has definitely ended.

Most men went to world wars 1 and 2 in total ignorance of what would be involved, and most suicide bombers do what they do following some forlorn promise that they will end up in heaven. But with mass media and education, it isn't possible anymore to harangue whole populations into moving insensibly in a chosen direction. Individuals have gained the right to think and reason for themselves.

Now add in our squeamishness with the death penalty, blood sport and violence in general. Perhaps you eventually get a world at peace, with a few bomb tossing dissenters on the side. I wonder what life will be like when no violence is allowed and where every difference will have to be resolved by negotiation.

Sounds a very tedious place to me. Or will we all just learn to be a lot more patient.

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I look at squeamishness for the death penalty, banning guns and whatnot as being a bit foolish. Why?

Well, to start with, there are a few reasons to have the death penalty - to get rid of prisoners that have done things that they will do again if they're released (since many inmates get worse, not better, in prison, at least in the US) and to give people who are thinking of a life of crime something to worry about, to help them realize that if they're living a totally selfish life, it could cost them their life. For the second one, I know that there are many who would contest me about this, but I feel that if you take the guns out of the hands of the good, then the good will end up ceasing to exist. There will be those who were good who end up becoming bad, it's true, but they'd do that with a pocket knife, a homemade bomb, a sharpened stick, or even their fists. Are we then going to outlaw knives, sticks, closed hands (aka fists) and such? Would it help?

If you make things like those (things that both good and bad people can use for good or bad things) illegal, those who are already breaking the law will still break that law - why wouldn't they?? Now THAT is the question to think about....
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aldan wrote:I look at squeamishness for the death penalty, banning guns and whatnot as being a bit foolish. Why?

Well, to start with, there are a few reasons to have the death penalty - to get rid of prisoners that have done things that they will do again if they're released (since many inmates get worse, not better, in prison, at least in the US) and to give people who are thinking of a life of crime something to worry about, to help them realize that if they're living a totally selfish life, it could cost them their life. For the second one, I know that there are many who would contest me about this, but I feel that if you take the guns out of the hands of the good, then the good will end up ceasing to exist. There will be those who were good who end up becoming bad, it's true, but they'd do that with a pocket knife, a homemade bomb, a sharpened stick, or even their fists. Are we then going to outlaw knives, sticks, closed hands (aka fists) and such? Would it help?

If you make things like those (things that both good and bad people can use for good or bad things) illegal, those who are already breaking the law will still break that law - why wouldn't they?? Now THAT is the question to think about....


I totally agree there.

As for a world without violence, it is impossible. Mostly because of greed, but also because it is the nature of humans to want what is forbidden=breaking the law to get it. Usually in violent ways, since strength is the ultimate factor in who wins.
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And if it ever did come about, it would be so incredibly boring!

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churchill wrote:The atomic bomb effectively put war (as in a world war when you kill 40m people at a time) out of action.

You mean the Second World War, not war, I dare gather, do you not?

churchill wrote:... Since 1945 we've had a few skirmishes in Vienam and Iraq etc, but all-out war looks as though it has definitely ended.

Are we talking about Earth? This planet?

churchill wrote:...most suicide bombers do what they do following some forlorn promise that they will end up in heaven...

Oh, dear, it would appear you miss the point! (I could be wrong, of course.)

Most suicide bombers are not people trained to carry out the act and do it in order to acquire some heavenly state of eternal happiness.

I wonder what has led you to believe there are suicide bombers who mean to blow up in order to go to heavens. It sounds rather extremely painful for the bomber, doesn't it, really? Unless you speak based on various advertisements laying about for recruits, like 'Your Country Needs YOU".

The people we know around wake up in a city or in the country, go to work, send their children to school, return home to their family, socialise seeing their bills are paid, have holidays every year or even more often, take up hobbies, use the Internet for educational reasons, pleasure or consuming purposes, go to hospital under some insurance plan, hear the news on tv or the radio, use home appliances, public facilities of entertainment and services of education if they wish, and take part in the political life of their country.

'Most' (as you put it) suicide bombers are left with nothing of that. They are left with no life, either for them or their children. What you have perceived as suicide bombing is the only thing they have been left with to do.

You see, the appalling picture of a suicide bomber is not a modern phenomenon. It has always been with mankind.

churchill wrote:...I wonder what life will be like when no violence is allowed...

Do you really state here that violence appears in our times because it is _allowed_?

churchill wrote:... and where every difference will have to be resolved by negotiation.

Here it becomes obvious that you need to read a little bit more about History - pls note, I said "more", meaning I realise of your post that you have read about History. This way, you may realise why there is violence, and what negotiation truly is today in world and local conflicts.

churchill wrote:...Sounds a very tedious place to me. Or will we all just learn to be a lot more patient.

Once you're out of the picture, ... yes! The whole thing about war and death by the millions or

by the race

becomes

a very tedious thing to deal with, even think about!

*sigh* Lucky you!
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Magus wrote:And if it ever did come about, it would be so incredibly boring! :roll:

It being a world without violence, would mean we would be glad to learn and glad to teach in a world without violence...

"Hey, teachers, leave them kids alone!" *combative mood yet not verily violent*



*surveying the above statement...* Hm... there is still hope for violence I see!

Disclaimer : Post entered after a couple of friends did not catch the rolling eyes indicating the fine, delicate humour in the above quoted post - *rolling eyes myself, as I am searching for Berry's signature to enter here.*

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Hey, what's education without a trusty yard-stick?

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Magus wrote:Hey, what's education without a trusty yard-stick? :wink:


*Spontaneously involuntary wink back over a not so evil a grin*

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