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Merle, I have been looking forward to the opportunity to remark, the newly adopted avatar is merely enchanting! How splendid! I was nearly tempted to use one of this style when I joined the Vines in fact *broad smile, yet slightly alarmed while looking behind my monitor*

Magus, only if it does not take up too much of your time, and if you actually feel up to dealing with the matter (too hot of a summer perhaps for such sports of the intellect, I do admit *s*), I wonder about three things after your recent posts.

One is, how would you feel Nikolai Fyodorovich Fyodorov's influence on the author of The Brothers Karamazov (Братья Карамазовы in Russian, the language the work was originally written in), especially regarding patricide, appears in this work of literature?

Second, is reading the works of classic authors a matter of being informed in breadth about the currents in literature, in the educational system you are in, or is it a matter of analysing them from some particular point of view, critically, historically, or otherwise? For example, examine a detail, like the narrator point of view in this work of Fyodor Dostoevsky, or any sign of influence from the author's 'katorga' in Siberia in the 1850's.

And last, how does studying in the field you are in, mould the personality? Is there any factor, force, cause, reason which causes the mind to discern more broadly or deeply into life, into one's personal and wider life (social etc)?

My last two questions aim at my further understanding of an education system I have never had the pleasure and honour of attending. For example, I have no idea what level of education one may enjoy studies at the level you have mentioned at another instance here at SV, e.g. 'major' as a kind of degree or specialisation (if I have it right, which I may not) and so on. So any reply will be sincerely appreciated. *s*
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Oh, and by the opportune way

*stifling laughter*

if the saying

"those who can't, teach"

could possibly ever bear any validity whatsoever, weight nonetheless, or even ballast of any kind, good Magus, then Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Aristotle, Euripides, Aristophanes, Kung Fu Che (Confucius), Buddha, Mahatma Gandhi (Maha=Big, Atma=Soul => mahatma=Big Souled), Jesus Christ would be truly tin, useless litter bins and copper patina decorative bric-a-brac, to be generous if we may.

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I tell you LightBrigade, the moment I understand one of your posts entirely, I shall be truly enlightened.

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Psst! Hey, Llew! *whispers* Who ever said I understand them myself, eh? :smt017

Them posts lookya nicey tho, don't ey? :roll:

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LightBrigade wrote:Psst! Hey, Llew! *whispers* Who ever said I understand them myself, eh? :smt017

Them posts lookya nicey tho, don't ey? :roll:
Ehh...they look complicated to me =P

But if you can't even understand them I won't feel so bad. :lol:
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LightBrigade, I think that it's most apropos that I address the last paragraph of your post first: I am not reading The Brothers Karamazov for any kind of class or curriculum, but for my own pleasure. I bought my copy of it, the Pevear & Volokhonsky translation (easily one of the best translations of any book from any language that I've ever read), after it was recommended to me by my A.P. English teacher in my senior year of High School. If you're not familiar with the term, it's an abbreviation for "Advanced Placement." It's not an honor/accelerated course, but is actually the certified equivalent of a college-level course (at the end of the year you take a test to see if you'd get college credit for it, and depending on what school you attend, you need a different grade to receive the credit. The class was really two classes combined [A.P. Language and Composition, which was a three hour test, and A.P. Literature and Composition, which was a four hour test, respectively] ). We were reading Crime and Punishment at the time and, liking that, is what prompted me to get my copy.

I've had no luck in finding any class at my college, or the Junior College I'm attending over the summer, a class of Russian Literature in of itself, which I really would have liked. However, the class that I had in High School was sufficient to pique my interest in Dostoevsky and, subsequently, Russian Literature as a whole (I've already bought my copy of Demons, also the Pevear & Volokhonsky translation). It operated very much as a world literature class (in that we read American (A Prayer for Owen Meany, The Catcher in the Rye, A Farewell to Arms), British (King Lear, Othello, The Taming of the Shrew, Jane Eyre, Heart of Darkness, Wuthering Heights), French (The Stranger), German (The Metamorphosis), Greek (Oedipus Rex), and, obviously, Russian (Crime and Punishment), in addition to numerous short stories, poems and critical articles.
One is, how would you feel Nikolai Fyodorovich Fyodorov's influence on the author of The Brothers Karamazov (Братья Карамазовы in Russian, the language the work was originally written in), especially regarding patricide, appears in this work of literature?
To be entirely honest, I'd never heard of the man before you mentioned him. I am entirely unfamiliar with his philosophies and beliefs, so I cannot claim to comment on them at all. However, if you were to summarize them for me, I might be able to take a stab at it.
Second, is reading the works of classic authors a matter of being informed in breadth about the currents in literature, in the educational system you are in, or is it a matter of analysing them from some particular point of view, critically, historically, or otherwise? For example, examine a detail, like the narrator point of view in this work of Fyodor Dostoevsky, or any sign of influence from the author's 'katorga' in Siberia in the 1850's.
If I'm understanding you correctly here, then I'd say that both are of importance. However, I'd also say that the former (that is, examine details of the literature: from narrator, theme, symbols, literary techniques, etc...) is the more emphasized of the two. However, before we ever read anything we were given a compact, yet comprehensive, biography of the author's life, from which we were able to examine outside influences that affected the author (such as Smerdyakov's epilepsy in The Brothers Karamazov, Dmitri's realization that he could go to Siberia in The Bothers Karamazov, the prevalence of alcoholics in his writing, such as Marmelodov in Crime and Punishment, and how there's a scene where a horse is flogged to death in every one of his novels). However, we're expected and trained to examine individual units of the text as well. We also read a number of critical articles on each author and work, from various view-points and points in time, to gain different outside perspectives to consider and ruminate over.
And last, how does studying in the field you are in, mould the personality? Is there any factor, force, cause, reason which causes the mind to discern more broadly or deeply into life, into one's personal and wider life (social etc)?
I'd say that it doesn't really "mold" the personality, as it were, so much as it offers an eclectic spectrum of opinions and philosophies for the mind to consider, and take or leave as it sees fit. It offers a person a multitude of opportunities to change their opinions, thoughts and perspectives, and it constantly forces a person to challenge what they know and believe, to think critically about the world we live in and the people who inhabit it. That senior year, for instance, confirmed the fact that I'm an Existentialist (not to be confused with an Absurdist). English, I find, is a brilliant window through which one can view and appreciate other cultures and nations at its "broadest," but learn from the deep and innermost psychologies of individuals at its "narrowest." It further is an instrument to teach history, philosophy and religion (from those of the Ancient Greeks, Norse Vikings, to Shintoism, Christianity and Muslim). So it doesn't mold so much as it teaches, presents and challenges the mind's perception of the world and reality. It also improves upon a person's ability to articulate themselves, and their opinions, far better than they would be able to do otherwise, so that they are not misconstrued as much and are better understood by others.

So... yeah, I hope that that answered your questions. Please be sure to say if it didn't, and I'll see what I can do to rectify that.

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Good day. Went to see "Live free or Die Hard". It was worth the ticket price. Afterward, went "window shopping" on the Louisiana Boardwalk. Stepped into a leather shop, nice Bomber Jackets for $80.00, and a leather Long Coat for $120.00. Just more to add to my "wish list". Walked by The Chocolate Crocodile and felt my blood glucose shoot up about 50 points.. Ended up at the Bass Pro Shop and priced some cross bows and some Ruger hand guns. I kind of liked another gun, a .44 Colt Peacekeeper look-a-like. It's a bit out of my present price range, however. Ended up buying a canvas insulated lunch bag and a 32 oz insulated "Bubba Mug".

Bad day: I'm thinking of filling that Bubba Mug with Iced tea, and mowing my lawn. That's going to aggravate my leg, but the jungle must be fought back. :P

Maybe I'll wait to do that until tomorrow. It's a good day, again. :)
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Great day fopr myself as well. I went to a friend's graduation party and had an incredible time. I'll leave it at that for the present.

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Magus wrote:Great day fopr myself as well. I went to a friend's graduation party and had an incredible time. I'll leave it at that for the present.
I never get invited to those kinds of parties. Usually, I'm just "transportation" because I don'd drink booze and my van can carry six passengers. Hmmmm :scratch:
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Well, I don't drink booze either, but I assume that my reasoning is completely different from yours in that respect.

One friend of mine is going to become a masseuse, and delights in saying how his entire time at college (from tuition to materials and the rest) is only going to cost him $6,500 total (and since it's so very close, just a town over, he can just stay at home and not have to worry about paying for food or rent). We've come to a certain agreement, the two of us: I'll exchange my services as an English teacher (lending him books, teaching him the historical contexts and the different interperitive meanings, and just fun tid-bits of trivia) in exchange for massages (so long as he respects the belt-line). We're both pretty happy with the arrangement.

Another great little fact: another friend of mine (the one who threw the party) is going to start learning Olde English. Man... if it wasn't for my minoring in Spanish I'd be doing the the same exact thing.

Another friend of mine can't seem to decide between going into Pediatrics (what her Dad would rather her do) or go in as a Japanese Teacher (which she'd prefer). Although, with 42 hours of gen-eds before her, I'm pretty sure that she'll have some time to make up her mind.

A fourth friend of mine (who couldn't make it to the party) is going to her college for two reasons. 1) It's a Baptist college, and her parents refuse to pay for any non-secular college. 2) They have an exchange program, and she'll be spending her Junior year in Oxford (which is where she really, really wanted to go).

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Good day: Mowed the front lawn, started the back.

Bad day. While starting the back yard, pruners in hand, I started cutting some "wild" shrubbery around the big arsed oak tree (BAOT) that keeps dropping limbs on the roof and patio. I could not help but notice the abundant growth of fungus on the BAOT. I poked the bark of the BAOT and discovered that the BAOT is rotting. The bark just crumbles away, exposing rotting wood. I'm either going to have a professional come in and take it down, or I'm going to have to call a friend who has a couple of chain saws, and see if we can do it ourselves. Of course, the pros cost $,$$$.$$, and the insurance company might throw a fit if I try to do it myself. Grumble!

Good day. As I was finishing pruning the "wild" shrubbery with extreme prejudice, a nice roll of thunder was heard, followed by more thunder. I put up mu lawn gear. Now, it's raining. I do not have to worry about the back yard, today.

Not bad, considering it's only about 12:30, local. I guess I'll go and do the laundry instead. :)
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Magus wrote:LightBrigade, ... ... ... So... yeah, I hope that that answered your questions. Please be sure to say if it didn't, and I'll see what I can do to rectify that.
Thank you for your diligent reply and the time you devoted to it only on my behalf.

I hope some more fellows here have read your post and noticed the advantages such pursuit offers, as you so well said "...teaches, presents and challenges the mind's perception of the world and reality. It also improves upon a person's ability to articulate themselves, and their opinions, far better than they would be able to do otherwise, so that they are not misconstrued as much and are better understood by others."

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