MrB wrote:Now, just wait a moment here, I have not blamed God for anything, if you have taken my comments that way, then you have misread my post. Let me try and put it another way...
Comments like this :
MrB wrote:...no matter how omnipotent could allow the world that they supposedly created, fall into such chaos, and not do something to correct it...
MrB wrote:...How can a God that purports to be loving allow HIV/Aids, Cancer, War, Racial Bigotry, famine, Earthquakes that cause mass destruction and death on an unprecedented scale, Homophobia, Murder, Rape, Infant Cot Death, Autism, Scizophrenia, Athsma, Drug Abuse, etc etc, the list is endless.
Led me to believe that, but if you say it isn't so, so be it.
I was in fact saying that there could be validity to the "blame God" opinion. But if that's not you, I'll give the credit to Ariel.
MrB wrote:If you have a small child, and he/she poohs on the carpet, what would you do ?
Rub their noses in it and whack 'em on the head with a newspaper?
MrB wrote:Would you do nothing, risking the chance that the child is more than likely going to do it again, or would you explain why poohing on the carpet is wrong ?
If you allow the child to continuously defacate an the floor, eventually there will come a point where enough is enough, and something must be done about it.
That would all depend on how old the child was.
Now, say I built a house, and gave it to my son to take care of for me. He defecated all over the floors. What would I do? Nothing. It's his house to live in so he must deal with it.
Now, say I also let a bunch of other people live in the house too. They call me up one day and say "Hey, this guy you let live here is defecating all over the floor. Can you do something about it?"
Well, sure I can, but I gave the house to you guys to manage. So manage it for me.
Ah, but it gets better. Using the same analogy, let's look at why God doesn't help people in another way...
Let's say a mondo wind comes through and shatters all the windows. All the people I let live in my house call me up and leave a message on my machine "Hey! All the windows are broken! Fix them."
I cruise by and for some reason, I decide to just replace one of the windows. Who knows, maybe I thought that the person that lived in that room would get sick from all the wind coming in and the others wouldn't, maybe I just thought the girl that lived in that room was cute, who knows. I'm the homeowner, who knows what goes through my mind.
Trust me kids, you don't want to know.
The point, I only fixed one window and all the other ones are still broken. No one notices that one fixed window, they just keep noticing all the broken ones.
The point being, maybe God is still intervening in peoples lives. We just don't see it now-a-days.
If you do something right, no one will know you've done anything at all.
-god-like nebula in Futurama.
Just because we
humans think such and such needs to be done, doesn't mean we know what the best thing for us is. I mean really, look at the planet. We've made a good and proper mess of it. So when we say "God should do this," or "God should do that," it could be thought...Dude we can't even manage not to defecate on the floor, and we think we know the correct way to run the Universe?
I'd be nice to have the window fixed though. It's getting cold in here.
MrB wrote:This was the point I was trying to make, and any suggestions that I might be angry or trying to start a fight are completely without merit. As everyone here I'm entitled to an opinion, if this is not the case, and opinions are only welcome provided they fit in with others, then I have been mislead about the nature of Speculative Vision, and I would be very disappointed.
I never said, nor meant to imply that you were angry at a specific person or trying to start a fight. If I did think that, I would've PM'ed you about it.
Your entitled to your opinion and more than welcome to post it. I believe that is the entire purpose of this topic. The discussion of whether or not all opinions (which I believe beliefs can be) are right or wrong. Just as I am able to voice my opinion. One that may either be different than yours, or pose another thought or way of looking at a particular subject.
I can see your point of view that if there was a God, he should be doing more to help the people on the planet, but I can also see the point of how can we tell if He is helping or not? Or if He's not, what's his reasoning behind not helping. If we believe His PR, He's omnipotent. He may have a good reason. Even if we haven't figured it out yet. I think all these points have merit and are valid.
MrB wrote:As for being angry, certainly not, I was however annoyed by your vicious little diatribe, concerning "those" like myself. I had not made any remarks about anyone else, so I fail to see why you felt it necessary to make them about me, but if you apologise, then I'm sure we can forget about it and move on.
Comments of yours like the following made me think that :
MrB wrote:...I don't care whether God exists or not, I personally think he/she is an ****hole...
MrB wrote:...God is a nasty piece of work who sits up on high...
[shrug] It sounded angry to me.
As for diatribe
. Really? Looking back it doesn't seem prolonged, ironic, or satirical. Though the fact that I'm rambling on at the moment while refuting a possible diatribe in my writing...that's