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Re: Headlines

Postby The Master » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:23 am

That doesn't really surprise me sadly. Big Oil makes Big Tabacco look like saints.

I was reading today that BP recently spent an estimated $50 million on a new ad campaign to tell American's how much they care and we can trust them to do the right thing. Isn't it nice to know they managed to get a PR ad on the air before they have even figured out how to stop the gusher still in progress?

Meanwhile, their CEO is saying that their sick clean up workers probably just have food poisoning (!) and they have been strong-arming employees and even clean up workers with hush contracts forbidding them from talking to the press or taking photographs. Fortunately, not all of them have been afraid to blow the whistle, and we are starting to see the truth of it in pictures like this:
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Another disturbing fact is that the Louisiana governor seems more concerned about getting his campaign contributors...I mean the oil companies...drilling again as soon as possible than he is about what this might do the thousands of people in his state that rely on that coastline for their livelihood. After all, you can kiss the shimp goodbye already, as well as the towns that rely on it (just ask the Alaskan fishing towns that collapsed after Exxon Valdez how much help the oil companies were). The sludge has now reached Florida's beaches...yeah, I'm sure that will do wonders for Florida's tourism industry. This is just the beginning folks, it will get much worse before it gets better and "better" doesn't mean "like it was" after something like this.
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Re: Headlines

Postby Qray » Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:07 am

Golden Knight wrote:Do Not buy petrol or diesel, use electric, or go back to a house and cart... or walk...


Where you gonna get the electricity from?

Also, unfortunately, only a portion of crude oil is actually used for transportation. Detergent, fertilizer, medicine, paint, but most importantly plastics and synthetic fibres is made from oil. Yup, plastic and clothing is made from oil. So it's not a simple matter of changing society's energy policies. Many more changes needs to be made.
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Re: Headlines

Postby Golden Knight » Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:15 pm

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Golden Knight wrote:Do Not buy petrol or diesel, use electric, or go back to a house and cart... or walk...


Where you gonna get the electricity from?


Water, solar, wind, geothermal...

nuclear? no that is not clean, it creates radioactive waste...

or do you mean there is a lack of places to plug in electric cars? well convert the petrol stations to recharge stations...

Qray wrote:Also, unfortunately, only a portion of crude oil is actually used for transportation. Detergent, fertilizer, medicine, paint, but most importantly plastics and synthetic fibres is made from oil. Yup, plastic and clothing is made from oil. So it's not a simple matter of changing society's energy policies. Many more changes needs to be made.


Yes I know, it was just a quick remark at the end.

I know that there will be no big move away from using oil anytime soon..
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Re: Headlines

Postby The Master » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:19 am

There is a lot more that can be done immediately. My brother put solar panels on his garage and generates so much they don't even pay an electric bill anymore.
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Re: Headlines

Postby Qray » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:00 am

Forgetting about the fact that the damage to the planet to actually create an electric car as opposed a internal combustion engine vehicle is akin to a fluorescent bulb as compared to an incandescent bulb, Hydroelectricity already accounts for over 20% of the World's electricity (according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration's international statistics database.)

Now while Hydroelectricity has a lot going for it, such as being a sustainable energy source, longer economic life than fuel-fired electric generation, and no direct production of carbon dioxide, it does have a number of downsides.

Failure hazards, environmental damage, greenhouse gas emissions (the reservoirs of power plants in tropical regions produce substantial amounts of methane and carbon dioxide due to anaerobic decay), population relocation, and they're affected by flow shortage to name just some of the problems associated with them. In fact, there's so many problems that no one is building large scale hydroelectric plants anymore. Well, China is (19 in fact,) but China doesn't give a smeg about the enviornment (there's also one being planned for construction in the following countries : Venezuela, Argentina, India, and Burma.)

Now, as I stated, Hydroelectricity already accounts for over 20% of the World's electricity. Other Sustainable/Renewable energy sources such as Anaerobic digestion, Geothermal, Microgeneration, Solar, Tidal, and Wave can be added in and you might...MIGHT be able to cover the current electrical demand.

However, that just covers the current demand. It doesn't factor in the around 806 million cars and light trucks on the road today (the number according to worldometers.)

Another method of electric production needs to be looked at. Personally, I think we should look closer at nuclear.

And speaking personally...personally, my next vehicle is going to run on ethanol.
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Re: Headlines

Postby Qray » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:01 am

The Master wrote:There is a lot more that can be done immediately. My brother put solar panels on his garage and generates so much they don't even pay an electric bill anymore.


How does that work in places like London where they get sunshine once a month? :mrgreen:
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Re: Headlines

Postby Ariel » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:52 am

I have seen the picture you posted Master and many similar ones. This is just devestating. :( It always comes down to the almighty dollar. There is no excuse for blatanly ignoring safety measures. In Alaska I think it was, there were corroded pipes and the workers complained about it. Nothing was done.

Mankind better wake up and respect the earth. Just what kind of world are we leaving our children?
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Re: Headlines

Postby who me » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:43 pm

Qray wrote:How does that work in places like London where they get sunshine once a month? :mrgreen:


you mount electric lights above the solar panels DUH!
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Re: Headlines

Postby Golden Knight » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:29 pm

The Master wrote:There is a lot more that can be done immediately. My brother put solar panels on his garage and generates so much they don't even pay an electric bill anymore.


Yea people can do that, but I do not see it coming mainstream anytime soon...

Just like you can use canvas bags when you go shopping instead of get your goods in plastic bags, also some shops now ask if you want a bag, meaning a plastic bag. Interestingly I have now got about ten canvas bags that I have got free... I can see a small but growing new problem...

Qray wrote:Failure hazards, environmental damage, greenhouse gas emissions (the reservoirs of power plants in tropical regions produce substantial amounts of methane and carbon dioxide due to anaerobic decay), population relocation, and they're affected by flow shortage to name just some of the problems associated with them. In fact, there's so many problems that no one is building large scale hydroelectric plants anymore. Well, China is (19 in fact,) but China doesn't give a smeg about the enviornment (there's also one being planned for construction in the following countries : Venezuela, Argentina, India, and Burma.)


I know there are problems, with large scale hydro I was just giving a list...besides I never said large scale hydro, the word I used was "water"

There is Smaller scale micro hydro power.... no population relocation, small or no reservoir required, meant to have small effect on the impact on the surrounding ecology. Design correctly, should have no effect on local fish stocks.

http://www.alternative-energy-news.info ... -and-cons/

Qray wrote:Now, as I stated, Hydroelectricity already accounts for over 20% of the World's electricity. Other Sustainable/Renewable energy sources such as Anaerobic digestion, Geothermal, Microgeneration, Solar, Tidal, and Wave can be added in and you might...MIGHT be able to cover the current electrical demand.

However, that just covers the current demand. It doesn't factor in the around 806 million cars and light trucks on the road today (the number according to worldometers.)


My original point "Do Not buy petrol or diesel, use electric, or go back to a house and cart... or walk...", did not offer any time frame for doing what I said. Heck how would everyone go back to horse and cart, talk about all the trees that would have to be cut down for the carts, I suppose you could use trees from tree plantations, and where would all the horses come from...???

Get back to electric, I know it would take time to build the power stations, to meet the demand...

Qray wrote:Another method of electric production needs to be looked at. Personally, I think we should look closer at nuclear.


That creates radioactive waste... countries have look for ways to get rid of it, including off loading it to other countries, by ship or train, or dumping it in the oceans... or are burying it..

However there could be a way to deal with it, using lasers... it needs to be scaled up...

However, physicists in the UK and Germany have now demonstrated a new laser-driven approach to “transmutation” by converting iodine-129, which has a half-life of 15.7 million years, into iodine-128. The half-life of this lighter isotope is just 25 minutes (K Ledingham et al. 2003 J. Phys. D36 L79).


More at: Lasers tackle radioactive waste

and what of nuclear meltdown...

Unless you meant fusion, but you did not say...

Of course people are trying to develop nuclear fusion power....like what happens in the Sun, meant to not have the radioactive waste....
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Re: Headlines

Postby Qray » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:02 pm

Wow. :roll:
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Re: Headlines

Postby Golden Knight » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:47 pm

Interestingly, today I read that Auckland's hybrid-power buses are out of action, they have been replaced by diesel buses.

Auckland's hybrid-power buses - once trumpeted as the future of inner-city public transport - have been taken off the road indefinitely because of reliability issues and replaced with diesel vehicles.


Two of the three lie idle at the Westhaven depot of contractor NZBus. Heart of the City chief executive Alex Swney said the situation was "disappointing" and the association was reviewing the service.

"We have a reliability issue with some of these buses," he said. "We've discovered, along the way, it doesn't seem to be as durable as tried-and-true diesel."


"ARTA recognises the reliability problem with the City Circuit service. It's been identified as an issue with the Capstone Micro Turbine, which generates electricity for the buses. The solution is to remove the 'hybrid' element from the buses concerned so they will be retro-fitted with brand-new Euro 5 engines, therefore they will not be branded as hybrids any more."


Back to the future? or maybe not:

NZBus says: "The contract does stipulate that the buses used to run the services are hybrid-electric vehicles [HEVs]. The HEVs will be back on the road as soon as possible."


Info from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10650826

It seems electric is not so reliable...
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Re: Headlines

Postby Golden Knight » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:49 pm

The Three Gorges dam, is causing ongoing quakes and landslides. An additional 300,000 people will have to be moved, already 50,000 have been moved and that is on top of the 1.4m evicted to make way for the dam. According to the report it will cost £5 billion to solve the problems.
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