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Watching the series from the beginning- Spoilers Galore

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:37 pm
by Bmat
I just finished episode 4- None are Pure.

I was confused about the no-one is pure, even humans, thing. Since I suspect humans are pure and not part alien. Although, if we are part alien, then all humans are, and so the pure state includes the alien genetic material. But I see the episode clarified toward the end that it was a standard in height and so forth. So a physical ideal must have been set, and anything different from that idea was considered flawed. The only thing about that is that they must have known then that their own kind would be targetted.

The episode reminded me a lot of the Star Trek TOS episode with the little robot that was programmed to sterilize...or was that the Dahleks?

Re: Watching the series from the beginning

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:16 pm
by Sindatur
Bmat wrote:I just finished episode 4- None are Pure.

I was confused about the no-one is pure, even humans, thing. Since I suspect humans are pure and not part alien. Although, if we are part alien, then all humans are, and so the pure state includes the alien genetic material. But I see the episode clarified toward the end that it was a standard in height and so forth. So a physical ideal must have been set, and anything different from that idea was considered flawed. The only thing about that is that they must have known then that their own kind would be targetted.

The episode reminded me a lot of the Star Trek TOS episode with the little robot that was programmed to sterilize...or was that the Dahleks?
Are you talking about "Infection"?

Re: Watching the series from the beginning

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:53 pm
by Bmat
Sindatur wrote:
The episode reminded me a lot of the Star Trek TOS episode with the little robot that was programmed to sterilize...or was that the Dahleks?

Are you talking about "Infection"?
No, it was the episode where Kirk presented the device with a dilemma that it couldn't solve, and it had to destroy itself. I think it was "The Changeling."

Re: Watching the series from the beginning

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:38 pm
by Sindatur
Bmat wrote:
Sindatur wrote:
The episode reminded me a lot of the Star Trek TOS episode with the little robot that was programmed to sterilize...or was that the Dahleks?

Are you talking about "Infection"?
No, it was the episode where Kirk presented the device with a dilemma that it couldn't solve, and it had to destroy itself. I think it was "The Changeling."
Sindatur is now thoroughly confused.

Thread is Watching B5 series from the beginning, yet you're talking about having just watched Ep 4 of ST:TOS, and calling it None are Pure, which isn't a title I recall from TOS?

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:45 pm
by Bmat
Sorry. :oops:

I watched episode 4 of B5 (None are Pure) that reminded me of the Star Trek episode The Changeling.

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:05 pm
by Sindatur
Bmat wrote:Sorry. :oops:

I watched episode 4 of B5 (None are Pure) that reminded me of the Star Trek episode The Changeling.
So, we're back to my original question, LOL. Never heard of "None are Pure" as a B5 episode. Are you talking about Infection? The one with the BioTech that turns it's host into an Ikarran Warrior and tries to kill everything that isn't pure Ikarran?

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/004.html

It's hard to tell with the first half of Season 1 of B5 which episode someone may be talking about, since they were shown in a different order than produced, and some people might count The Gathering as an episode, while others wouldn't.

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:20 pm
by Bmat
Sindatur wrote:
Bmat wrote:Sorry. :oops:

I watched episode 4 of B5 (None are Pure) that reminded me of the Star Trek episode The Changeling.
So, we're back to my original question, LOL. Never heard of "None are Pure" as a B5 episode. Are you talking about Infection? The one with the BioTech that turns it's host into an Ikarran Warrior and tries to kill everything that isn't pure Ikarran?

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/004.html

It's hard to tell with the first half of Season 1 of B5 which episode someone may be talking about, since they were shown in a different order than produced, and some people might count The Gathering as an episode, while others wouldn't.
That's the one! It was called "Infection"- thanks! It was one of the scenes called No one is Pure.

The one we watched this Sunday was The Parliament of Dreams, where each species was to demonstrate its major religion. It was very entertaining when G'Kar was worried about an assassin. I felt that G'Kar's refusal to scream was a foretelling of his later torture at the hands of the Centauri. It was odd that Delenn's ceremony could be construed as a marriage. I thought that she and Sinclair seemed to be attracted to each other, but then Sheridan came along and the attraction was with him.

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:26 am
by Sindatur
I'll have to rewatch infection, I seem to remember I was satisfied by the how?

Parliament of Dreams was a great episode. I'm not sure exactly what JMS was thinking there, because I think Delenn was always meant to be a descendant of Vale, even before Sheridan was though of to lighten Sinclair's load of the arc. Kinda Icky if she was his descendant, and was supposed to be his wife or the mother of his kids (Which some of us suspect was Katherine Sakai via the third Trilum)

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:39 pm
by Bmat
Do you suppose that she was deliberately trying to get him under her influence- even by seduction- for the same reason that she was on B5- to keep a close eye on him?

Yes, icky if she was the mother of his offspring.

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:11 pm
by Merle
No more icky than Aragorn marrying his cousin.

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:38 am
by Valen
Hmmmmm.... I don't think either case would constitute "in-breeding". But I agree with Bmat on the main idea of the first season relationships. I think that Delenn and Sinclair were suppose to be a "thing" and that JMS changed things around when he decided that Sinclair's character should be written off the show.

That's right... I'm still spouting the conspiriousy theory here! We was robbed when they took Sinclair off and put that whimpy Sheridan in his place! :twisted:

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:37 am
by Qray
Valen wrote:Hmmmmm.... I don't think either case would constitute "in-breeding". But I agree with Bmat on the main idea of the first season relationships. I think that Delenn and Sinclair were suppose to be a "thing" and that JMS changed things around when he decided that Sinclair's character should be written off the show.
Wasn't Sinclairs leaving the station part of JMS story arc from the beginning?
Valen wrote:That's right... I'm still spouting the conspiriousy theory here! We was robbed when they took Sinclair off and put that whimpy Sheridan in his place! :twisted:
Sheridan was whimpy? In comparison to Sinclair? In what way?