Philip Harris wrote:I have nothing against true Christians-It's just that I have not met one.
So you have something against me, because you think I'm not a true Christian? And you have something against Christians who are not true Christians?. But then who is a true Christian according to you? Therefore what ever I say you will hold it against me, even thou I agree with you that people will not be burned in hell.
You base all of your arguments on the Bible which you claim has mistranslations of words. So please clarify-which Bible is the one to use?
I would say the “Young’s Literal Translation”……is a good one to use….or "Concordant Literal New Testament". In these verisons Aion is correctly translated Age. And they don't change words like gehenna and hades to Hell. These are different places...
As for basing all of my arguments on the Bible, there you be partly correct. It is true I based all of my arguments to Magus on the bible. He asked for evidence, and that is what I give, from the bible. However if you read the full 20 odd posts, you will see there are other arguments which are not based on bible verses, {however most are probably bible based in away} included in the subject "All WILL BE SAVED?". Also Magus is a church go, from what I know, so it is good to give a Bible argument to him. Also I am Christian, so I will use Bible based arguments. And there are infact a whole lot more Bible based arguments in the 20 odd posts I did. Also Christian Universalists are trying to educate Christians on the matter.…Remember it was a brief go over of 20 odd posts, which cover some 30 or more actual pages in word format…….
Magus I would hope that you give some thought to reading the whole subject…..anyway some more arguments, not using verses from the bible.
Picture yourself being burned and tortured without relief and without any hope for trillions of centuries. Well, of course, we humanly cannot imagine such torture for such a long period of time--our minds and our emotions are incapable of it. If any sane Christian could witness, even for a few hours or a few days, the kind of hideous torture presented by Christian doctrine, I believe he would seriously reconsider whether a loving God is capable of such sadistic punishment.
The doctrine of “eternal” torment misrepresents the character of God who is pure love and forgiveness. “Eternal” punishment says that God’s love will fail for most of His creatures, His forgiveness has an expiration date, and He either can’t or won’t show mercy beyond the grave. Even if someone in “hell” were to cry out for God to show mercy and beg Him to give them another chance, this hard and calloused god will simply turn away, ignoring their cries as if he’d never heard them. From
http://www.savior-of-all.com/
Which brings us to the problem, is God evil. Most Christians would say no, but most Christians believe that God is going to torture all unbelievers in the lake of Fire forever. This is afar greater torture, than any human has done to another human. More to the point when the person doing the torturing is usually said to be evil. Surely this kind of torture is most evil, more evil than any human has ever done. This teaching actually teaches that God is EVIL. Which is a major problem, God is not evil, therefore this is not the right teaching. By Dark Knight>>Me
“Such a man will say, you tell me God is good, but what acts are these you assign to Him? He is a father; but He brings into being myriads of hapless creatures, knowing that there is in store for them a doom unutterably awful. He calls into existence these creatures, whether they will or no; though the bottomless pit is yawning to receive them, and the flames ready to devour them. From “Christ Triumphant”,” by Thomas Allin
From the All WILL BE SAVED? Topic, you can refer there for further arguments…
Didn't Jesus say that neither he nor his Father were going to judge anyone?
He said: Joh 12:47 and if any one may hear my sayings, and not believe, I--I do not judge him, for I came not that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
Then he says this: Joh 12:48 `He who is rejecting me, and not receiving my sayings, hath one who is judging him, the word that I spake, that will judge him in the last day,
The answer then is that when he came he was not going to judge the world, or anyone, but later there would be Judgment. He did not rule out judgment later, when he was here on the earth, he was here to save the world, but later judgment.
For he also said: Joh 5:29 and they shall come forth; those who did the good things to a rising again of life, and those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment.
So here we have him say that there will be judgement…..at some future point.
So it is okay to be punished for a little while? If the God you believe in is all knowing then It knew that we would screw up. But It went ahead anyway and It is still going to punish us a little-like how much? How Long?
Yes God knew we where going to screw up.
For how long?, I don’t know, it will be for an age, and no I don’t know how long that will be, I don’t know everything.
And the Lake of fire is a place of Divine purification and divine consecration. People are Cleansed. More on this on page 10 of DK talks, part 13 of the “All Will be Saved?” topic, last post on that page….or ask me about it....and I will comment....
If there is a devil, who made it? If your god did then I suspect its motives.
Yes my God did create the Devil.
You can suspect his motives all you like.
I may do a topic covering the Devil, at some point, or stuff to do with him, who knows. However there are several things that are incorrect on the teaching on the Devil. Which I will not get into in this post…..
However, God is in complete control, unlike some of the church teach, without know it. God limits what the devil can do.
